tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post219612648565973599..comments2023-06-01T21:15:57.354-11:00Comments on The H Does NOT Stand For Habs: Generation "Net," Generation "I"J.T.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00012075493503316318noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-38461883130012334702009-05-20T12:20:24.570-11:002009-05-20T12:20:24.570-11:00@tsm:
I agree, the players should have a role in ...@tsm:<br /><br />I agree, the players should have a role in fostering an environment of mutual understanding...in a perfect world. But the problem is, these are kids who act like kids. And worse, they're privileged kids. That means their frame of reference and life experience when it comes to interpersonal relationships is extremely limited. It's not exactly fair, but the coaching staff are the ones with the experience and savvy to take the extra step in relationship building.J.T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00012075493503316318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-2408353770775908222009-05-20T10:14:49.098-11:002009-05-20T10:14:49.098-11:00Sorry didn't reference quite enough... I’m referri...Sorry didn't reference quite enough... I’m referring to the very last section of Boone's column.<br /><br /><I>A telling hockey anecdote, albeit one that tells us more about society than hockey: ... </I>tsmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15878041892979070850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-60733488438073136722009-05-20T10:08:21.901-11:002009-05-20T10:08:21.901-11:00JT, your post reminded me of this thought-provokin...JT, your post reminded me of this thought-provoking anecdote posted by Mike Boone in his column on April 15th, 2009. As I read it I was wondering whether this incident is a 'sense of entitlement' or is it rather a general apathy that has crept into the Canadiens organization. Is this something a coach can fix? is this an issue within a team or dressing room? is this a generation shift? What exactly is happening here?<br /><br />I am all for people/coaches who try to understand young people and try to communicate with them. However, the onus is also on the players themselves to improve and to care about the various groups to which they belong. This includes building relationships in all the groups one associates with: family, peers, friends, teams, workplaces...and yes, for a Canadien, even fans and journalists. To a certain extent it's the team that has to foster this environment not just the coach.<br /><br />http://www.montrealgazette.com/Technology/fight+spring+Canadiens+Bruins+know+drill+renew+hostilities/1497843/story.htmltsmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15878041892979070850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-19947606998475410102009-05-20T06:09:54.969-11:002009-05-20T06:09:54.969-11:00Once again, I have to play the devil's advocate.
...Once again, I have to play the devil's advocate. <br /><br />Carbonneau has never had any problem talking to people. His message is clear, frank and direct. No freaking guessing between the lines. Compared to the last three Neanderthal that were there before him, he's a semi-educated person who is not afraid to speak his mind and he certainly knows how to get his message across.<br /><br />How come his communication skills that were mentioned from the tip of the lips, in the past became so bad, in 2008-2009 ? And to be more precise, sometimes around the All Stars game . Remember reading somewhereat Christmas time that the Canadiens start was one of the best in 100 years. <br /><br />Wasn't he the same person who got robbed from the Adams trophy, just 10 months before ?<br /><br />How can his talents and his flaws lead his team to an unexpected championship and then become the town's idiot, just a few months later.<br /><br />I'm sorry but I don't buy that. Carbonneau isn't a great coach just like Julien is probably not as imbecile as he appears when he speaks to the French media.<br /><br />The truth is more likely somewhere in the middle. A coach is a coach and most of them aren't that different. There is the jovialist motivational type à la Demers, the disciplinarian type à la Keenan and then, the teaching type, à la Lemaire and then all those in one of those groups with a little touch of their own.<br /><br />OK, I'm 60 years old and from the old school I suppose, but didn't God create most mammals with two ears and only one mouth ? Isn't that supposed to mean there's way too much yapping and not enough listening going on ?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12560846020660844448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-81153654402777026282009-05-20T04:18:47.786-11:002009-05-20T04:18:47.786-11:00Very good post. I think you are right on the butto...Very good post. I think you are right on the button, about Carbo not able to feel for the kids.Supermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05450791453129782294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-88547053827184315972009-05-20T03:31:11.460-11:002009-05-20T03:31:11.460-11:00I think in general what the expert was saying is t...I think in general what the expert was saying is true, but it does leave out the fact that different members of the same generation still exhibit a spectrum of responses to coaching.<br /><br />I have coached generation "net" and "I" athletes recently, and I can tell you that there are some among them that respond the way described and some who still respond to the old "do as i say method". In fact, I'd go so far as saying that some only respond to the "hard" approach.<br /><br />I think the trick in being a good coach lies in being able to relate to your charges in each way. And, importantly, when no response is forthcoming (and I think this was Carbo's biggest downfall) to be creative.<br /><br />There's never been a book that could teach you how to coach anyone, nor will there ever be one to relate absolutely everything. These lessons come with experience and nothing else. I do agree that I want the next habs coach to be open and able to coaching in this way. But I wouldn't want a coach to come in and use this technique as the only way forward.Tophamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14157334079663330151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-36391617369541677922009-05-19T11:43:17.506-11:002009-05-19T11:43:17.506-11:00I think its right that you highlight these generat...I think its right that you highlight these generational differences.<br /><br />Personally, I think Carbo had a few inabilities- not to be confused with his style of leadership. I had a feeling he did not pay attention to details and was inflexible. He also appeared to be disorganized, even if he gave the impression that he really WAS with all of those line changes. <br /><br />About his style of leadership: I guess its fine to just stick with one plan (trap, change combos every game), but I feel he didnt quite grasp the subtleties of individual players' talents. This could explain his handling of Michael Ryder and Kovalev.<br /><br />Oh well. Im looking forward to seeing a solid coach with experience behind the bench next season- i hope!harmonielehrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06669826290198478143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-44442075204381965332009-05-19T11:32:39.986-11:002009-05-19T11:32:39.986-11:00You raise an interesting point. We see it in so m...You raise an interesting point. We see it in so many places why wouldn't we see it in hockey players as well? I've been seeing it for years in my class and my response to kids who feel they are entitled is "Wow wait a minute. Who are you? You're just a kid, what have you done that makes you my peer? Don't talk to me like we're equals. Get a job, hold a mortgage, raise kids and then maybe you can question me." God I love that rant. That may be a little over the top but I would have a hard time not throwing that at some snotty nosed twenty year old who figures he ahs all the answers. Now do I really want to publish this? Ah what the hell.Dishonest Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05133432921652116250noreply@blogger.com