tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post2520891203189780859..comments2023-06-01T21:15:57.354-11:00Comments on The H Does NOT Stand For Habs: Entitled Much?J.T.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00012075493503316318noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-13580889179942540042009-11-04T14:38:03.009-11:002009-11-04T14:38:03.009-11:00JT - pandemic as explained to me only suggests a n...JT - pandemic as explained to me only suggests a new viral strain.<br />It didn't suggest any wider degree of infection than the common flu strain. <br /><br />I am not a doctor nor wish to be one and it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong with my understanding. <br /><br />Thanks for the discussion.Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01058841626900657403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-62882845059562907752009-11-04T12:00:57.790-11:002009-11-04T12:00:57.790-11:00@Ted: Your points have merits, but the Flames shou...@Ted: Your points have merits, but the Flames should have bought vaccine privately for their program: in the public system there is nothing that differentiates them from others with fewer resources.Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11589093465203769284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-31180286896618374882009-11-04T08:16:39.181-11:002009-11-04T08:16:39.181-11:00It's not naive to be critical of those who lie...It's not naive to be critical of those who lie about having a medical condition. What is naive is having a system without some checks and balances to catch the liars, especially when fears about severe illness and potential death have been raised for months. There is nothing like fear to bring out the liar in all of us.DBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08774116563390591423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-15514953730886825402009-11-04T07:33:09.469-11:002009-11-04T07:33:09.469-11:00@DB: Point taken. Myself and a friend were having...@DB: Point taken. Myself and a friend were having this very debate yesterday. I stood in line with my preschooler and watched people lie about health conditions in order to get the vaccine for themselves. I blamed the people for being dishonest, he blamed the system for not having better checks and balances in the first place. I argued this is supposed to be an honour system and it's surprising so many people seem to be without honour. He argued the health officials were naive to believe people would have honour in the first place, and should have been prepared to police them better once it became clear there would be vaccine shortages. I don't know if I'm more disillusioned with the realization of how little honour there really is, or at the ridiculousness of a system that's purported to be based on it. <br /><br />Either way, there's no doubt the system should be better. I have a healthy dose of anger for officials who seem to have bumbled this pandemic, from anticipating vaccine supplies to managing the crowds who'd be looking for it. But that still doesn't excuse those who act without honour. Just my naive opinion, I guess.J.T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00012075493503316318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-69904303204036236982009-11-04T06:53:16.962-11:002009-11-04T06:53:16.962-11:00I understand people being angry when someone gets ...I understand people being angry when someone gets much better treatment than them, but the anger is misplaced when it is directed at the people getting better treatment. The anger should be directed at those providing the service. <br /><br />Getting angry at the Flames only serves to lower the heat on the health care system that failed to anticipate demand, get adequate quantities of the vaccine, provided vaccine to private clinics when the shortage was obvious, and vaccinated anyone who lined up whether they were in a highrisk group or not.<br /><br />The worst you can say about the Flames is that they were selfish. The worst you can say about the health care system is that its incompetence resulted in death. I know who I want answers from and it isn't the Flames.DBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08774116563390591423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-56323674503471707112009-11-04T05:22:31.489-11:002009-11-04T05:22:31.489-11:00@Ted: To your first point, sure, young adults are...@Ted: To your first point, sure, young adults are at risk of contracting the virus. However, here in Canada, all provinces have specified children under five, pregnant women and people under 65 WITH existing health issues like asthma as priorities for the vaccine. Young, healthy adults are well down on the list for immunization at the moment. We're still waiting for school kids to be done in most areas. And if Alberta decided to go ahead and vaccinate all healthy adults, that's fine. But the players should still have had to wait in line like everybody else.<br /><br />To your second point, I think it's safe to say the H1N1 virus is present just about everywhere you go these days, thus the term "pandemic."<br /><br />And third, I would challenge your point here as well. Is a hockey player who appears at a card signing in the mall at greater risk than the clerk who works in the card store? Or the teacher of the kindergarten class? Or the police officer giving the safety talk at the community centre? We all interact with the public on a regular basis...hockey players no more than anyone else who works in a job dealing with the public. And unless you're a reclusive novelist or self-employed...that covers an awful lot of us.<br /><br />I agree there's been a lot of confusion around triage and vaccination programs in most jurisdictions. But it bothers me that nobody from the Flames organization thought they should have to deal with the system in the same way as the people who pay to keep them in their privileged lifestyles.J.T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00012075493503316318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-89082790694541416802009-11-04T04:02:49.320-11:002009-11-04T04:02:49.320-11:00JT:
-absolutely correct...at a minimum it doesn&#...JT:<br /><br />-absolutely correct...at a minimum it doesn't pass the smell test and at worse shows a tremendous level of insensitivity to the plight of others less fortunate<br /><br />-the blame rests with team ownership and management and those in the alberta medical community that thought this was a good idea..although the players could have individually decided not to participate at this time and line up when their turn came around they were essentially ordered by their employer to participate. <br /><br />-on the surface team leaders could have acted contrary to management wishes and brought most of their colleagues along to their side but it would have taken a large measure of courage to defy Suter to King and without knowing all the discussions that occurred between players and management it's difficult to say conclusively that the players could have acted otherwise than to do as told.pfhabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05116906615296671918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-49186524065990406812009-11-04T03:44:54.518-11:002009-11-04T03:44:54.518-11:00The clinics are a mess everywhere from what I can ...The clinics are a mess everywhere from what I can tell. We lined up for five hours for the grandchildren this week, but others further down the line were still called in before us.Anvilcloudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07974744042579564912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-88674141962498227912009-11-04T03:31:22.392-11:002009-11-04T03:31:22.392-11:00Good Morning JT,
I understand the sentiment very ...Good Morning JT,<br /><br />I understand the sentiment very much but I think that there are several other factors here which I think need to be considered. <br /><br />1 They are young men who are specifcally within the group (at least here in the US) of most at risk. <br /><br />2 They often travel to destinations where the risk may be even greater and therefore have a greater risk of exposure.<br /><br />3 Because they often are called upon to perform community work they are in the public more than perhaps the average person and therefore may either contract or spread the virus at a great rate than john q public.<br /><br />4 Because they are at greater risk, then so are their wives and children.<br /><br />All of these elements play into the decision as well and while no one likes to hear about favoratism, just because you are within an at risk group and given the shot doesn't mean it is.<br /><br />A young women dying and leaving her children is awful, but sometimes triage is a difficult reality. <br /><br />Don't blame the young men, the wive or their children or the organization for taking care of their own. That is human nature. If there is anyone to blame in this tradegy it is the poor planning in most countries where they've incited the public to panic and yet failed to deliver their end. <br /><br />I still enjoy reading everything you write and this is just some food for thought.Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01058841626900657403noreply@blogger.com