tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post499712060131544811..comments2023-06-01T21:15:57.354-11:00Comments on The H Does NOT Stand For Habs: Culture and HistoryJ.T.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00012075493503316318noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-42236379894658183672010-12-19T12:36:10.921-11:002010-12-19T12:36:10.921-11:00I agree with MC for the most part, but IMO, PK'...I agree with MC for the most part, but IMO, PK's showy moves are no better or worse than what Omak pulled. And he does it almost every game. Sometimes those fancy little spins create opportunities. Sometimes they create problems.<br />At the risk of sounding like a horrible person for not joining the ranks of Habs fans who think Subban is a hero, I have to say, for a defenseman, I think he takes too many chances and leaves his goalie out to dry way too often. He's not a bad kid, and he's got tons of potential, but he's got to learn a little more team play. I think Martin did the right thing. He treated PK like any other player, which is exactly what the rookie needs.<br />As for that sweet hit and the not fighting after, he couldn’t have played that better. He had no reason to fight and he showed a lot of discipline and class playing against Boston, with just the right amount of spunk. If he keeps that up, I might just start waving his banner too.R.Nnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-86867237708578471892010-12-19T12:12:32.197-11:002010-12-19T12:12:32.197-11:00@MC: If you're going to take that tack on the ...@MC: If you're going to take that tack on the Omark goal, you might as well take it on the whole shootout. What other professional team sport decides games with such a sideshow? It's like deciding NBA games with a dunk contest. Those things belong in the all-star skills competition, not in real games. <br /><br />Make no mistake, the shootout has nothing to do with the integrity of hockey. Bettman's crew introduced it to entertain fans, period. The tie was a part of the integrity of hockey. If two teams battled to a draw, there was nothing wrong with conceding that, on that night, they were even. Blaming a kid for taking an already exhibitionist sideshow one step further and dressing it up a bit is kind of silly.J.T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00012075493503316318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-81764984599060306022010-12-19T11:16:29.352-11:002010-12-19T11:16:29.352-11:00I can't resist playing devil's advocate to...I can't resist playing devil's advocate to some of the comments. Botterill argues that a lot of the criticism of young players is motivated by veterans protecting their jobs. That may be true, but that does not explain Cherry's criticism as rookies are no threat to the pressbox. There is a fine line between confident and cocky, and Subban walks along that line. Nobody likes a cocky rookie, plain and simple.<br /><br />Botterill implies that Martin sat Subban because he was over-confident which was not the case. He had a bad game and Weber deserved a shot, that's it. <br /><br />The Omark situation is a tempest in a teapot, but I completely understand why people didn't like it. As Botterill said, organizations protect the hierarchy and resist change. It is not just about resisting innovation, it's about protecting the things that have made the organization successful. The problem I have with the Omark move is that it was a great display of skill, but it was not a hockey play. It was a high risk, no-reward play, so he jeopardized the success of the shoot out to entertain the fans. To me this threatens the integrity of the sport and competition. If entertainment is the goal, why not script plays and outcomes? Rig the entire playoffs - what a script you could right. Sports is the original reality TV, and people know what is real. I'll watch figure skating if I want to see spins; I would rather have the artistry of Cammalleri's Penalty shot move any day. Football got rid of the big celebrations even though fans liked it because it was not football. Omark's situation is similar. That move was not hockey.MCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-63463077215469118302010-12-19T06:50:51.827-11:002010-12-19T06:50:51.827-11:00There's some "lord of the flies" in ...There's some "lord of the flies" in every organization -- it's human nature. If I were Martin or Subban, I would not let 'sit down, son' attitude of veterans of opposing teams (and maybe his OWN team?) rattle him. Nip it in the butt by not obliging. <br /><br />I also like how some rookies live with veterans and their families in the first years (by God they're still kids, no?)therefore lessening the likelihood of them loosing discipline, partying too much or getting a big head. It's very sad that we don't see a lot of veteran taking on the role of a mentor in that way. Look at Crosby living with Lemieux (still?) what a positive influence that has been for him.<br /><br />Lastly, I wouldn't worry about the likes of Milbury or Cherry. Anyone who dresses in pink, wears makeup and who uses a vocabulary equal to my ten year old should not be a threat. Stop listening to them, period.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-2240035129723231462010-12-19T06:15:13.090-11:002010-12-19T06:15:13.090-11:00Love these new style rookies. Has Fisher talked to...Love these new style rookies. Has Fisher talked to Subban yet?<br /><br />Ellis, a career backup, gets to trash a rookie for scoring a beautiful goal but a rookie should shut up and show respect. Hilarious! Respect must be earned Dan and a save percentage of .880 won't do it. Glad TBay got him not the Habs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-33976073683754739562010-12-19T05:34:08.924-11:002010-12-19T05:34:08.924-11:00Another great, insightful, well written article. L...Another great, insightful, well written article. Love the interview and the research behind it. This blog is in my humble opinion one of the best hockey blogs around, if not THE best. Keep up the good work, we want more please.Pierre pas Pierrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-76290598602542143952010-12-19T04:31:32.145-11:002010-12-19T04:31:32.145-11:00An excellent article. It would be nice if PK could...An excellent article. It would be nice if PK could read this, what a boost it would be to his confidence. And how sad is it to see dinosaurs like Cherry and Milbury and the bitter Stock endorsing the idea that a clean hit has to be followed by a fight. That is the real "pansificastion" of the league Mr Milbury.dishonest johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-81068691322083061582010-12-19T02:16:20.146-11:002010-12-19T02:16:20.146-11:00The Montreal Canadiens had a sports psychologist w...The Montreal Canadiens had a sports psychologist within their system. Wrong end of the pipeline is all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-3907849084409389372010-12-19T01:51:05.527-11:002010-12-19T01:51:05.527-11:00Of course, I meant buffoons. Hate when I make a t...Of course, I meant buffoons. Hate when I make a typo. Feel like an illiterate Laff fan, then.Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11141406139388093224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-46726987435280085412010-12-19T01:48:30.518-11:002010-12-19T01:48:30.518-11:00Excellent insight. Throw in that Cherry, Milbury ...Excellent insight. Throw in that Cherry, Milbury and Stock all have Boston Bruins tatooed in their hearts...well, no wonder they are such biased buffons!Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11141406139388093224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-30720148467941173232010-12-18T15:41:29.911-11:002010-12-18T15:41:29.911-11:00One might argue?One <i>might argue</i>?DV8 2XLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14595060432772287143noreply@blogger.com