tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post7412560950027275517..comments2023-06-01T21:15:57.354-11:00Comments on The H Does NOT Stand For Habs: The New Kid On the BlockJ.T.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00012075493503316318noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-3873371701077713182010-07-26T15:04:06.319-11:002010-07-26T15:04:06.319-11:00@V
WRT Spezza, there are always two sides to any ...@V<br /><br />WRT Spezza, there are always two sides to any story. In 2003, the whole Alexandre Daigle fiasco was still a recent memory for Senators management, and there was much criticism that the Sens ruined Daigle by bringing him up to quickly - they were not going to make the same mistake with Spezza. You could definitely argue that Ottawa's careful development of Spezza contributed greatly to his ultimate success. And Spezza was forced to improve his defensive play or Martin would bench him quickly. Spezza also deserves some credit for responding positively to this "tough love" style. And I guess that is my problem with it. Some players respond to it, some (like SK) don't. <br /><br />It may not sound like it, but I actually like Jacques Martin. I just think he can be really hard on young players. A huge advantage with Subban is the Habs have carefully developed him, so he should have the maturity to handle any adversity he may face.MCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-83857455900575568752010-07-26T14:14:43.571-11:002010-07-26T14:14:43.571-11:00PK'll be OK!PK'll be OK!moemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07714585748102791365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-34801448537887110152010-07-26T13:23:39.333-11:002010-07-26T13:23:39.333-11:00Dare we say he is a thoroughbred? His style I bel...Dare we say he is a thoroughbred? His style I believe, is more applicable to the comparison.DKerrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02445386772250841397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-17894354828284472552010-07-26T12:17:10.070-11:002010-07-26T12:17:10.070-11:00To me its simple.... this kid is gold and will be ...To me its simple.... this kid is gold and will be a crucial component to our identity as a hockey team for years to come.<br /><br />Now with Markov and Subban logging important minutes for us I would expect our transition game to be the best we've seen from our team since the locked-out... and with our group of fast skating forwards being build to take advantage of it..... I foresee here the go a faster and more exciting game coming from our squad as we are about to move in this new Subban enriched era. <br /><br />Subban's habilities will enhance the offensive perspectives from which our team can score goals and as Martin said about it last fall " you need to have that to be a good scoring team because nowdays every teams in this league are playing good defensive hockey " <br /><br />From watching Subban play in the post-season last spring I have to conclude that this guy was an outstanding pick by Timmins and that his stats of the last two seasons all seems to support just that.<br /><br />AHL: 18g, 35a, 53pts, +46<br />OHL: 14g, 62a, 76 pts, +47pierrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04722439953017469433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-30073796264123298682010-07-26T11:25:38.056-11:002010-07-26T11:25:38.056-11:00Take your booing concept a bit farther. A player m...Take your booing concept a bit farther. A player makes a cheap hit, or a sneaky foul. The refs blow an obvious call. Boos rain down. Regardless of the outcome the players and the officials know, at least 21000 people here saw them be...something they aren't proud of.<br /><br />Now picture Crosby or Lecavalier making a great play, carrying the puck, completing that impossible seeing eye pass that changes a game? Applause? Naw because they are booed as soon as they step on the ice. The reason? Because they are good.<br /><br />I don't think people leave a tribe to join another when the other tribe throws stones at them every day. Fans in Montreal wondering how come it is so hard to bring in the stars need only to look in the mirror.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-90708906356140145352010-07-26T10:42:37.055-11:002010-07-26T10:42:37.055-11:00@V:
-just as an example of different coaching sty...@V:<br /><br />-just as an example of different coaching styles not sure you heard Team 990 host Tony Marinaro interview Guy Boucher (earlier this winter) and his views of Sergei Kostitsyn the player and the person when SK was demoted to hamilton. although GB admitted SK needed daily mentoring he had nothing but good to say about his on ice and off ice performance<br /><br />-juxtapose that with the Count's handling of SK..we've wasted a talented young player even if he was high maintenance...most artiste types are high maintenance and it's the coaches duty to get the best out of them...add Latendresse to the list of those on the outs w the Count and potentially O'Bryne and you have a pattern of behaviour as it relates to JM<br /><br />-just saying sugar gets more in life than vinegar..JM is a sour pusspfhabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05116906615296671918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-22275311952584104592010-07-26T09:21:19.778-11:002010-07-26T09:21:19.778-11:00Just looking at the above reference to Spezza and ...Just looking at the above reference to Spezza and Martin in Ottawa, I was under the impression that Martin's influence was credited with making Spezza a more well-rounded player. Sure, the fans and media did not like it but we all know what Sam Pollock advised regarding their thoughts/feelings - ignore them.<br /><br />Seemed to read this in a few places (might have been Martin's mother writing the articles). <br /><br />Granted Martin does seem hard on young players when they make a mistake. Just not sure it's always to the detriment of the player or the team or that is record in this regard is any worse than 80% of other coaches.Vnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-67884206004276907362010-07-26T08:56:03.370-11:002010-07-26T08:56:03.370-11:00I've got a question for you... how good do yo...I've got a question for you... how good do you think O'Byrne is? Quite frankly, at 26, he's not going to be much better than he currently is, so I have no problem "wasting" a potential #6 blueliner if he is having a trying season. I just don't see him as a long term NHLer... the skill set is just not there. BTW, isn't it Pearn who does the D changes?<br /><br />How Martin dealt with Pacioretty is probably a more applicable scenario. Martin gave MaxPac plenty of chances before determining he wasn't ready last year. <br /><br />Martin may have had reservations about Spezza, but he didn't with Havlat, Hossa, or Olesz. I guess you have to be Czech/Slovak. :)saskhabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05301193127732448418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-46900876222134399872010-07-26T06:40:03.500-11:002010-07-26T06:40:03.500-11:00PK has a strong family and tough as nails dad keep...PK has a strong family and tough as nails dad keeping his head on straight. He respects authority and his elders. He'll take all the accolades with a grain or 3 of salt and remain grounded.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-59644400869733821722010-07-26T06:33:49.231-11:002010-07-26T06:33:49.231-11:00JT:
-the 3 greatest potential negatives in PK'...JT:<br /><br />-the 3 greatest potential negatives in PK's future are as you outline; Count Chocula, his shadow and some of the idiots masquerading as fans...somehow I think the kid will overcome all 3<br /><br />-as for Carey he needed to grow-up and all recent accounts from teammates and others involved seem to share the opinion that the boy is getting wiser and more mature<br /><br />-my fear is the Count's and the shadow's treatment of O'Bryne as it's not very enlightenedpfhabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05116906615296671918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-23647134151382113822010-07-26T06:32:05.885-11:002010-07-26T06:32:05.885-11:00Your concerns about how JM handles young guys are ...Your concerns about how JM handles young guys are valid. When Spezza was a rookie in Ottawa under JM, the fans and media were getting so frustrated with Spezza being a healthy scratch in the 2003 playoffs, it was reported that Muckler finally stepped in to insist on Spezza playing when they were down 3-1 to the Devils , which the Sens then forced to game 7 before losing. I suspect the Spezza situation had a lot to do with JM's firing in Ottawa. To JM's defense, that Ottawa team was good enough to win it all, so wanting to go with veteran players is somewhat understandable. But on the other hand, it does not seem that JM has learned much since wrt handling young stars.MCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-15668016478329011412010-07-26T06:20:39.569-11:002010-07-26T06:20:39.569-11:00Martin may have kept Bergeron in the lineup, but h...Martin may have kept Bergeron in the lineup, but he tried to shelter him as much as possible 5 on 5. O'Byrne didn't bring anything if he wasn't confident in his 5 on 5 play, so that's why he would get benched.<br /><br />In short, PK Subban is not Ryan O'Byrne. It's not even close. And with Markov out to start the year, and no Bergeron, Martin and the Habs need Subban EVERY GAME.saskhabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05301193127732448418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-24265873421118619072010-07-26T05:49:19.120-11:002010-07-26T05:49:19.120-11:00PK has performed beyond expectations at all levels...PK has performed beyond expectations at all levels to date. He was amazing in the playoffs last year with only a few mistakes costing goals.<br /><br />His defence was more than adequate given that he was in a high pressure environment against top end offensive talents.<br /><br />I expect he will have ups and downs and probably make some bad mistakes but by the last half of the season he will be our #2 guy and will never see the A again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-14066887843185432962010-07-26T05:49:10.013-11:002010-07-26T05:49:10.013-11:00the man to give proper time to is desharnais. so w...the man to give proper time to is desharnais. so we have small forwards..but not giving this kid the chance he deserves because we have other small guys is poor thinking...<br /><br />bring up desharnais and let him play with some quality guys. if you gave him gomez type opportunity, I believe he would out score gomez in total points within one year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-64817763020907757302010-07-26T05:29:17.837-11:002010-07-26T05:29:17.837-11:00The image I have of Subban is his incredible skati...The image I have of Subban is his incredible skating ability and how he stuck like glue to Sid behind the net. I've never seen anyone do that before. This kid is no O'Byrne (I really like Ryan and think he is getting a raw deal from Martin) and I can't believe JM will treat him the same way. If he does he should be fired immediately. I do share your concern though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-3627330853683339382010-07-26T05:00:58.586-11:002010-07-26T05:00:58.586-11:00O'Byrne's rookie season was 2007-2008... I...O'Byrne's rookie season was 2007-2008... I'd say JM was just sick of seeing rookie mistakes by a guy in his third season... Yes MAB wasn't always the best on the D, but at least he brought an offensive side to the game, which, O'Byrne certainly does not have, yet, at least.<br />http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/4032/career;_ylt=Au.zzVIlaSXHoJ_XVEwMWcdivLYFPhilly-Poo on Habsinsideoutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-73490985175545386922010-07-26T04:27:21.927-11:002010-07-26T04:27:21.927-11:00Dear God, some how, some way,please guide this art...Dear God, some how, some way,please guide this article into Jacques Martin's hands.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-27784340594440993412010-07-26T03:16:35.395-11:002010-07-26T03:16:35.395-11:00Martin will have PK booking dates with O'Byrne...Martin will have PK booking dates with O'Byrne's therapist inside of two months.Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3435571560723564995.post-72151876398605189172010-07-26T00:19:37.347-11:002010-07-26T00:19:37.347-11:00I am looking forward to PK as well. He was so impr...I am looking forward to PK as well. He was so impressive during the playoffs. His game has shortcomings (like 99% of other players) and your plea for patience is deserved. But what an upside.<br /><br />On another note, I wonder if the team has really babied Carey Price. I know that is conventional wisdom but you don't usually swallow convention. Too be honest, I am very optimistic but not convinced about Price and I get the sense that management has similar reservations or he would be signed by now. <br /><br />That aside, when I look at the way he has been treated, I don't see coddeling - preferential treatment yes, but when he first came up, preferential treatment was deserved. He had accomplished so much compared to Halak - any team would have favoured him. And he played so well in his first season - even when he struggled in his second, it was natural to give him a chance to get back to where he was and that meant playing him.<br /><br />I prefer to see Price's careers so far as 'trial by fire' rather than babying.Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12396977743822535541noreply@blogger.com